In the Mossi-Dagomba cultural zone they are very strongly associated with chieftaincy. The word cannot be very old, it should be possible to find out when and by whom it was coined. Turns out it is, just not the way youd think. Would make a nice PhD thesis. The Untranslated In biology all that happened more slowly and came with more explanation. In the specific case of Gldemann 2008, you have a bunch of weak similarities across a vast area which need to be accounted for by some combination of common ancestry, contact, and coincidence; proposing that they are to be explained by contact and not by common ancestry is a historical hypothesis with direct relevance to questions of genetic relationship, and in this case a clearly defensible one. *Funny isoglesses. Manessy had the right idea about comparative work (and his work remains valuable) but he was working with extremely scanty materials much of the time and also made several fundamental methodological errors. that didnt look like any kind of Egyptian name for me, so I looked it up. (I must say that the fact that such papers have nevertheless been published in prestigious journals is itself a cause for concern. Bantu meaning: 1. a group of languages spoken by people in Central and Southern Africa that includes Swahili. These classifications relied in part on non-linguistic anthropological and racial arguments. well, for lack of an outgroup, the two phylogenetic analyses ever done of it were rooted in the middle, and they only used lexical data. Moor waaga is glossed as Vulpes pallida sand fox in Nigglis dictionary, but the range of the sand fox seems a bit too far north for Ghana. The Millions Stable enough that the living fish swims in water has been claimed to be mutually comprehensible between all Uralic languages. No; all the languages (at least all of those for which I have seen good enough descriptions to say) have productive ways of creating deverbal nouns of various kinds, but there doesnt seem to be much in the way of fossils. However, this is not so. Telugu (cpa), (matsyamu) (mnamu). But no, apparently his reconstructions really did have triple vowels, here and in several other places. Deyr f, However, from the perspective of expected word-order co-occurrences, these word-order arrangements are not independent traits, but reflect the diffusion of a single complex feature, the overall SOV word-order type with its tendency for the various expected coordinated orderings in typologically interrelated constructions to co-occur. Papers that are merely breathtaking or groundbreaking are not good enough for Nature; if you submit them there, theyll be reassigned to Nature Something so the publisher and the brand still profit, without diluting Natures impact factor if theyre not simply rejected. Several good grammars of Oti-Volta languages are by L1 speakers: Ive found Lar Kantchoas grammar of Moba very useful, for example. So, while fish in their wild state were all different kinds of kud, the activities that transformed fish into culturally significant products were a little more fine-grained in their taxonomy. in Oti-Volta () there is very noticeably more agreement among nouns than verbs, just as nouns are more borrowable than verbs, it might well be the case that if vocabulary remains from a substratum, verbs might be more liable to survive than nouns. Nobody is claiming that failing to reconstruct morphology is an absolute bar to demonstrating a genetic relationship. There is no comparable data set in linguistics. Perhaps not even Ehret. But assuming this is the underlying paper: I am not sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oti%E2%80%93Volta_languages, Buli-Konni, far from being the first branch, is in fact particularly close to Western Oti-Volta (vastly closer than any of Eastern Oti-Volta.) This is like saying that Dutch is a primary branch of Indo-European, parallel to Germanic, Italic and Celtic. Rolf Theil (2006) concurs with the exclusion of Omotic but does not otherwise address the structure of the family. Well, yes, Blench is right: Gldemann here is not interested in genetic relationship. Thats the magic of the technique: it may be nonsense, but its strictly and rigorously less nonsense than any other solution. Now, Proto-Albanian was almost certainly spoken inland in the Balkans, and not along the Adriatic, which at the time of the fall of the Roman Empire seems to have been Romance-speaking. Just wondering what contraindications there are. Motic!!! The early Amorites may or may not have been a somewhat heterogeneous group, speaking several closely related but already distinct West Semitic languages; the precise temporal relation between the Amorite language and Ugartic, for example, remains to be teased out. Looking at the map, I can imagine three scenarios: 1. Genius or mad? Unlike Mller, Lepsius considered that Hausa and Nama were part of the Hamitic group. We recognize significant centrifugal linguistic forces. Required fields are marked *. Mehri ayd, Jibbali ud, od, Socotri odh fish, beside Hebrew yid a hunt, hunting and Syriac ayd hunting, hunt, prey, quarry) is similar to this, too. For example, in the Polish data (Jarema & Kadzielawa, 1990), we do not see any cases where the -inflected singular imperative form replaces a tensed form, e.g., the past tense, which is inflected for mood, aspect, tense, person, number, and gender (six features). All these are scientific hypotheses. Like many have answered before, its a semitic language. If you are interested in linguistics, you should check a book of language families in your being POSSIBLY genetically related to Volta-Congo as a whole. maybe we should use somewhat different terms: of course everything in the world is possibly (and likely) related. Even if I accepted the idea of a uniformity of folklore, and Davids comment makes me think things are much more complex, its not clear to me how such uniformity could have been imposed, with 3 major languages families still extant, two of which no one posits as having Eurasian origins; and clear evidence of genetic continuity with previous populations that is either significant (AA) or massive (NS and NC). porpoise (Meerschwein. I think it would be fair to take the failure of this paper as evidence for the weakness of his overall thesis about comparing sub-subgroups. Catherine Obianuju Acholonu & Erich Fred Legner Review of a paper presented at the Conference on Indigenous Knowledge and the Challenges of the 21 st Century, Institute of African Studies, UNN, Nsukka. The results were a mess. I wish Id watched the game, but after suffering through CRO-BRA and ARG-NED yesterday (the latter almost killed me Viva la albiceleste! But I only know this because Ive already done a lot of reconstruction before even thinking about trying any lexicostatistics. The Ushari Ahmed Mahmoud mentioned by Thelwall apparently also co-authored this report (there is a French clip about him), The inscribed lintel and the two funerary stelae in the Napatan / Meroitic cemetery at Sedeinga are really impressive. You would have thought that it was a hammering wherewith each hair was driven into his head, with the uprising with which he uprose.. It took me awhile. And their method is incapable of discovering any.). Both the neighbouring Senoufo (Volta-Congo) and Songhay languages have picked up the weirdness, helpfully proving this point. In any event, the interpretation of the lexical evidence is complicated by what I would consider clearcut though historically surprising evidence for later contact between Kanuri and Songhay; this too needs to be addressed to make the kind of argument for relationship that I would be prepared to publish. Yes, and theres a short list of obvious loans, marketed as such, in the paper. Now if I and a Martian both say okh blya! when we hurt a toe, is this trivial or interesting? This will permit us to evaluate the taxonomic identities of the better known specimens assigned to [] and may assist in clarifying the basal [] condition, thereby shedding light on recent conflicting hypotheses of [] phylogeny [of a larger taxon]. Its a bit odd, when you think about it, given that AFAIK theres nothing much like it in Irish. It would be so stupid if they never thought of that, that I think I must have missed something. Lameen, Im genuinely curious about an unpublished piece Blench posted on his website Saharan and Songhay form a branch of Nilo-Saharan Roger Blench and Lameen Souag draft from the Afrikanistentag Koln in 2012. As for WP, the good thing about is that anyone who thinks she can write a better article can do it. Wiesbaden: Reichert], I cant find it. auch awwal neferayn baythallu biar bayst in the old days two men would buy [a days] fish for ten baysa; ferner in Bahrayn hl dried fsh (HOL-2), der noch REI 94 hle Suppe = (fish) soup dazu anfhrt. Farefare and Dagaare have the same etymon as Moor, though the three languages dont seem to constitute a branch of WOV together; its difficult to be sure with so many criss-crossing isoglosses. Dikobraz seems like a good spiky word. Sarostins method would (I think) put Proto-Oti-Volta at about 4000 YBP, which seems a bit early given how much of the protolanguage is still fairly easily reconstructable (its nothing like Indo-European levels of difficulty) but is by no means impossible. My interest was merely clarifying what was meant. (As I say, I know hardly anything about this. list for which it is diminutive. I think he has a bit of a stare decisis thing going on: hes happy to apply his judgment in cases where hes collected new data himself, but leery of revisiting classification decisions made by others in the past, in areas where he lacks actual first-hand data. @David L. Gold: I couldnt pull up a text offhand, but its something I learned in first-year high-school Spanish and have heard reiterated since. Vince also serves as the Katabi (Editor) of the publication of SGHthe Haymanot Journal. As an ideophone for cringing its perfect. I think they just mean that Akkadian is the first attested Semitic language. I extend my apologies. I mean the latter thats the one we can say anything about from Semitic-internal data. Basically Blench should have been around fifty-plus years ago, when his admirable empiricism might have headed off some of the Greenbergian hyperlumpery at the pass. Colloquially youd just hear guppy, I guess. [Morphology is not just affixation, either, and few languages, fortunately for the sanity and moral uprightness of comparativists, lack all morphology, including all derivational morphology. Contact!!! Note that the author isnt simply on a quest to prove Greenberg right. As part of this, this redescription may contribute to revealing whether the [] with their derived fossorial adaptations indeed arose from a generalized early amniote ancestor or whether such adaptations are examples of evolutionary convergence between non-amniote and amniote groups. a statement of this will be useful to future studies, Within this [] framework, derivation of the [] condition requires only subtle modifications of the skull to the condition already present in [] (e.g. View of a small Early Bronze Age settlement showing domestic and industrial areas and rounded (silo) building. There, Mesopotamian culture is more pervasive than at Ebla, where native traditions in art and in religion are apparent. On the other hand, the genome analysis of the KEB population suggests that it can be modeled as a mixture of IAM and Anatolian/European Neolithic, and it also presents a lower sub-Saharan component than IAM or Tarofalt. Well, I searched for his Dogon paper, found it here and it has made me lose all respect for Blench. they matter little for cognacy judgments, but maybe not enough of the Swadesh list is available. (This is not quite such a glaring error as the misclassification of Buli/Konni, which frankly shows that the classifier has no actual knowledge at all of either language.). (Faroese is closely-ish related to Icelandic, both historically and modernly.). since Ive seen a tree based only on rRNA. But it clearly looks like were finally getting somewhere. The native word icne salmon in middle Irish is sometimes used as a generic fish word (also has Xeribs suffix). 1986). Is it? Maybe one tribe would have conquered the Plains and imposed its language, resulting in linguistic uniformity similar to demic diffusion. Also for Oman there must be older koine and modern Gulf-influenced koine. Usual historical linguistics, by looking at morphology, can easily decode this, but blind judgment will simply be mistaken. The laryngeal must have been present for the schwa secundum to be inserted; without laryngeal, we would expect ., By contrast in Uralic *kala is highly stable. The case with Khoe-San does not seem quite as desperate as you are implying, either. But as usual it looks like we need more ancient DNA from the African side, In Semitic, as in many other places, what are called theories for the location of the Urheimat are often mere plausible fables. In my own pet area, Oti-Volta, it is notable that there is a sharp drop in language diversity as you go from East to West, which looks very likely to be connected with the rise and expansion of the Mossi-Dagomba states and their very closely related Western Oti-Volta languages over the past six or seven centuries. 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