Maria Garcia is the senior arts and culture editor at the public radio station WBUR in Boston. Transcript NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Maria Garcia, host of "Anything For Selena." The podcast tells the story of Selena Quintanilla's life and Garcia's childhood spent on both sides of. by just that's what the container allows for, but. It's completely find that is it the nature of the medium? After her death, Tejano went from boom to bust. And that episode is about the fraught relationship between Latinidad and Blackness, through the lens of Selena. There was more to be told she wanted to go deeper, to ask questions, explore issues and talk to people that had remained in the shadows for decades, then tell their fuller story: the real story, in a way that allowed all of us to step into it and learn from it and in no small way reconnect to ourselves and those around us summary. And when I was reporting it, I couldn't not think about my own father, who died in a tragic accident a year before I started this project, and I had just sort of drowned myself in work after his passing. Just oh there's like this evolution of. Whereas a creator I put my foot down- and I said no we're still, that our audiences on this right with us. Thank you so much for taking time talk to me. Maria discovers that its a story of immigration, money and how two often-ignored groups were pitted against each other. And it may sound trivial, but what that episode showed me is that butt politics, body politics, is ultimately a story of fetishizing Black features, obsessing over Black features, while dehumanizing Black people. On March 31, 1995, nine-year-old Maria Garcia came home to find her mother glued to the TV, tears rolling down her rosy cheeks. Selena Quintanilla may have built her career singing Spanish songs, but she didnt grow up speaking Spanish at home. public radio station that both its journalism, We're making this story like these decisions, possibly say, first, I'm gonna share that like this is my lads and its informed by all this, but but also in doing so. She has become one of the most potent symbols of belonging in this country. You know lake marie, with my audience from the beginning and let them know like the person who is telling you this story, This is somebody who's coming from a very personal place, that's why I started the podcast with the creosote bush. The series weaves Marias personal story as a queer, first-generation Mexican immigrant with cultural analysis, history and politics to explore how, 25 years after her death, Selena remains an unparalleled vessel for understanding Latino identity and American belonging. Nearly 30 years ago, Sir-Mix-A-Lots Baby Got Back (I Like Big Butts) hit the airwaves to the delight and shock of listeners. You neeeeddddd to listen. The Anything For Selena podcast released earlier this year is a story of how Selena helped shape pop culture and American identity. One, I think she was a true artist. Well. [Laughter], Alright, well, let's try to bottle it in a five-minute answer. In this intimate journey, Maria explores what Selena's legacy shows us about belonging in America. It's like, though, and the calls to me here, you know and to be able to walk out of, front door and see the mountains and see that what is in mexico and see the mountains in EL paso and it just for, like my body, recognises this place in a very vesture away in, and that keeps me here. I smell creosote bush, which is one of the oldest living organisms on the planet. The lyrics playfully poked fun at white beauty standards, including a skit at the top of the song in which a seemingly white woman famously says, Oh, my, God Becky, look at her butt. After that, she transitioned to arts and culture reporting and narrative radio storytelling. She won't be shamed. without us, even realising a causing a certain amount of stifling or harm yeah, absolutely I mean it stayed with me for many many years I I could switch, all my life. You speaking to my soul Maria/Mary (therapeutic too)!!! selena, laughter, latino, episode, life, story, border, mexican immigrants, world, identity, latinos, grew, died, culture, moment, personal, ascend, bottom, nick, talk, Jennifer Lopez, Abraham Quintanilla, Unknown, Howard Stern, Maria Garcia, Oprah Winfrey, Robin Quivers, Nick Quah, Jennifer Lopez, Chris Rock, Fred Norris. She also explores the indelible mark she left on Latino identity and belonging, whether it's fatherhood, big-butt politics, and the fraught relationship with whiteness and language. and I was listening to colombia s- and I was you know, just absorbing my culture. Un cuarto de siglo despus de su muerte, Selena est arrasando en internet. life through a lens, a possibility and joy. Selena devotees of all ages have turned to Instagram, TikTok and Youtube to restore and remix Selena's memory. when it was time to pick a career, I thought of, the vision journalism because it's the form. Now, it's completely save to be mexican now in certain in all settings that you want to be in you don't have to, camouflage yourself anymore, to stay, save and its. ideal, and I can see that what is said in mexico and these two parts of myself, never really came together, and I talk about in the podcast how the border was just you know, a physical barrier. That's been around for, releases these chemicals. Many people are making a shift toward more meaningful work that is aligned with their values and that's often an uncomfortable and messy process. And so this is my attempt at that. [Laughter]. And, not because Maria or, for that matter, any of those millions, knew Selena, personally, but because what she embodied profoundly affected and informed the way Maria, and those millions, saw themselves, their sense of wholeness, heritage, community, and the call to celebrate uniqueness, and embrace life through a lens of possibility and joy. How much. [Laughter], I mean, I grew up in a whole other country. You know my parents saw. The series weaves Marias personal story as a queer, first-generation Mexican immigrant with cultural analysis, history and politics to explore how, 25 years after her death, Selena remains an unparalleled vessel for understanding Latino identity and American belonging. But there were moments, for example, that were, there were some some folks who thought we, too much time on the clear. March 13, 2021 En el final de la serie Anything for Selena, Maria reflexiona sobre lo que su ao de anlisis del legado de Selena revela sobre la humanidad de La Reina. move the story, and you cover some different topics in such a beautiful, powerful story, driven way. Selena Quintanilla may have built her career singing Spanish songs, but she didnt grow up speaking Spanish at home. I have to know that this is like a poetic, get into a story and that they're gonna write this red with us and. Selena is often called the "Queen of Tejano music." In the 1990s, she brought this underdog genre to international heights. Every visit every day explore more new benefits at ikea, dash, usa, dot com, slash family offer valid starting nine one. And so suddenly, her death was a top story in English networks and in Spanish networks--incredibly anomalous for the time. ", It's Boston local news in one concise, fun and informative email. out outdoor sit down at happens with you and him and charge tree, Where are you really, sir, like dive into his life and like? She was americans born and, like I said, corpus Christie, so her first language was english. Try it yourself, cadaver, is offering ten percent off for the listeners of our podcast, go to catch up, dot com, slash good life to get ten percent off your order. Puede ser que Selena haya hecho una carrera cantando temas en espaol, pero no se cri hablando espaol en casa. Whatever side of the border I was on, it felt like the other half of me was missing. Plus,. I think a lot of people saw their own story in mine. And it mattered a lot for mexican american and let de la girls like me, who were getting mixed messages about whether these features that we. Mara sabe que para entender verdaderamente a Selena como persona y no solo como un cono, necesita ir a Corpus Christi. That I saw somebody like that ascend in American society, and ascend in a way that was still connected to her roots, ascend without compromise, and that was incredibly moving for me, and it stayed with me. La teora, por supuesto, tiene que ver con Selena Quintanilla, pero tambin con la pelcula Selena, protagonizada por Jennifer Lopez, y la subsiguiente explosin latina. Hace casi 30 aos, el irreverente y obsceno sencillo Baby Got Back (I Like Big Butts) de Sir Mix-A-Lot debut en la radio para deleite y espanto de los oyentes. Online, Selenas image and music have taken on new life on social media and platforms that werent even imaginable when she was still alive. [Laughter], ===Excerpt: 2014 Associated Press Interview===. Do they own their lands? And what if theyd been gone from the planet for 25 years, but still it was like they were present in your life, guiding and inspiring you every day? Why did I choose this? Our deep live on really china understand, what's happening here, like what changed, and why and. bottom," you just have a bottom that's in proportion. That that's what was going on is that from very early on five six, seven, eight years old, I was learning to be married in the states and. So many people wrote to me telling me the storytelling in the podcast made them feel seen. oppositional reactions, indifferent cultures. All around text says, he started when she was a. But, for example, episode 4 is about the mainstreaming of big butts and big butt culture. So why is Selena still relevant 25 years after her death? Selena was the "Queen of Tejano music." And then when I heard the tape, as a grown woman, when I heard him talk about this woman whom I have been loving, who has become a sort of cultural deity, who has become this way home for so many of us, this sacred symbol, when I heard him talk about her the way he did, it was so cutting. It has the rigorous journalism and the cultural analysis of Dolly Parton's America, with what I hope is the intimacy, and the heart, and the personal journey and personal connection to a place or people, that California Love has. In the end, its really a story about belonging, which we all need more of. Don't spend too much. Anything For Selena on Apple Podcasts 23 episodes On the podcast Anything for Selena, Apple Podcasts' Show of the Year of 2021, Maria Garca combines rigorous reporting with impassioned storytelling to honor Selena's legacy. Why has her being resonated with me so much? And episode 2, for example, is about meeting Selena's father and really going deep into their relationship, and their dynamic, and, you know, he's been portrayed as a sort of exacting, controlling, demanding, short-fuse machista guy, and her as a playful, but nonetheless docile, daughter. February 16, 2021 A quarter century after her death, Selena is breaking the internet. I had to imagine like there, There are certain like I need to. Add a podcast transcript Use Google Chrome? In the premiere episode of "Anything for Selena," host Maria Garcia explores how Selena helped Maria find her own place in the world. En este episodio, Maria explora por qu el spanglish de Selena pareca tan revolucionario para su poca y, a la misma vez, tan familiar para sus fans, quienes tambin padecan con el idioma de sus padres o antepasados. Sometimes a couple times a week. Selena Quintanilla was known as the "Queen Of Tejano Music," a major Latin star who was crossing over into the mainstream U.S. pop world when she was shot and killed in 1995. You know I did it and jobs, I did it, when I went to my fancy grad school, and it was, I would say my late twenties early thirties that I, to realize. And Selena helped change that. Thank you! Tejano award Look, her talent and her discipline as a musician, as an artist who cared about her craft, who was meticulous about her craft; that is the main reason. because what I felt like you are also doing was inviting people in. on the go so go. If Latinos were not being erased, they were being portrayed as gang members, or lost dropouts, or teenage moms. Sin embargo, la historia de su declive no es tan sencilla. the states there were new immigrants here. She holds a Masters Degree in Arts and Culture Journalism from Columbia Journalism School. I want there to be a record that really really solidified her leg, see and told us how she changed culture, how she changed music, and I wanted to use my craft ass, story? The exploration takes us to an unexpected place. I knew right away this as this was one of the episodes that I immediately neo. Confronted the woman and a few weeks later, and it was a huge huge news. In the premiere episode of Anything for Selena, host Maria Garcia explores how Selena helped Maria find her own place in the world. For Maria, who was raised in El Paso, Texas, and lived and worked on the border for years, Selena was a figure that helped her and many other young girls and women like her find a place in a world where they didn't feel like they belonged. On the podcast Anything for Selena, Apple Podcasts Show of the Year of 2021, Maria Garca combines rigorous reporting with impassioned storytelling to honor Selena's legacy. In this episode, Maria explores why Selenas Spanglish seemed so revolutionary for its time, and yet so familiar to many fans who also struggled with the language of their heritage. sixteen seventeen. So this show is really like a part memoir, part reported story. no, I'm all is curious. It's my heart, in a podcast. She also explores the indelible mark she left on Latino identity and belonging, whether it's fatherhood, big-butt politics, and the fraught relationship with whiteness and language. listen lee mexican, and I remember internalizing this shame. After the premiere ofSelena: The Serieson Netflix, some fans claimed Selena had been whitewashed in the show. It all boiled down, it all manifested, in this horrible, crass radio fight. then they went into music full time and from the young age of like eight or nine years old selina bears a singer became the breadwinner for her family. So I thought and they were alike. Antonia Cereijido is an Award-winning Senior Producer at Futuro Studios, working on developing new narrative podcasts. I was still very much holding on to my parents, culture. where'd it to me to stay with the land and connect with that. You feel like you're accepted by wherever you are for you. local news all the time and it's what I knew and it's what was familiar to me and and it's what I thought, could really make a difference in telling the true story of the border, but, and I realize that I wanted to go deeper, and I wanted you know. I couldnt articulate this when I was younger, but I felt ita profound sense that she mattered, not just because of her music but because of her expansive cultural impact, Garca tells Apple Podcasts. In this intimate journey, Maria explores what Selena's legacy shows us about belonging in America. I mean, she commanded an audience. When I talk about salinas dad and my own dad, you know. I think I think you have to share this. NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Maria Garcia, host of "Anything For Selena." The podcast tells the story of Selena Quintanilla's life and Garcia's childhood spent on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border. En este episodio, Mara Garca comparte su teora sobre cmo los traseros grandes pasaron de ser un tab entre las chicas blancas a una obsesin generalizada. On March 31, 1995, nine-year-old Maria Garcia came home to find her mother glued to the TV, tears rolling down her rosy cheeks. It's almost like here that a dear friend my always is he can't read the label from inside the jar and, at like when the deeper you get into a story, especially one that you are just deeply invested in from my heart and mind and soul level. You know in, mexico and with my family, my mexican family, curves and. character in the story until we started getting into the editorial conversations, and I started sharing with my editors, sort of like mine, my feelings, roundup episodes and why they meant so much to me, and I had editors who told me like you know. Twenty five years later, Maria is on a quest to. yeah I mean I think the episode ear alluding to is episode for which is called big, but politics. You know, I think, so important to have this folks around you, yes, to help reflect back and, and then is also examining what is their lands like? There. I didn't expect to be. You can try, Anything For Selena | Episodio 1: Selena Y Yo (Espaol). On the podcast Anything for Selena, Apple Podcasts' Show of the Year of 2021, Maria Garca combines rigorous reporting with impassioned storytelling to honor Selena's legacy. This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Yeah. ", "Let's burn our [indecipherable] with these peppers.". ethically and me now, I'm not sure, but I know there's something deep, therefore assure them. Yeah! There is no such thing as coming to a story from no place at all. I did not know about this Howard Stern tape until we started doing the reporting and the research for the podcast. Showing people like this, nay begins in a place in a place that really shaped me, It brought you in to your senses, also, which I thought was really fallen a, it because it ground you in a different way. She discovered Selena the Mexican-American pop icon who proved she didnt have to choose. Tejano award shows were glitzy affairs and Tejano radio DJs were like rock stars in Texas and the Southwest. and experiences that led her into telling stories shining lights in championing ideas and ideals that matter to her and her community maria opens up about all of the above, as well as the intimate process of the unique story telling that took place in the creation of this pot guessers and takes me through the before and aftermath of, creating and launching anything for selina assessing the ways at it really transformed her and hopefully, whoever is turning it so excited to share this conversation with you, I'm gonna. The Mel Robbins Podcast: Every episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast is filled with the motivation and tactics you need plus deeply personal stories, relatable topics and tactical, research-backed advice to help you create a better life. Take me there, you know it had been my dream to do a podcast about selina for years. She was 23 years. have been a feeling that it has to have been passed down. You know, as a white male perspective or a prospect, That's that often comes from the position of being white and mail in this country, and I, do want to say in this conversation that its very important to point out that, lead, reporting like there is something about about like the objectivity of your process. Maria confronts his complicated legacy and reflects on fatherhood in Latinx cultures. Web design by Andy Cheatwood and the digital and marketing teams at Southern California Public Radio. Her bio pick. like brand new to me, like, oh my god, I am not going to be with this little human. In this episode, Maria explores why Selenas Spanglish seemed so revolutionary for its time, and yet so familiar to many fans who also struggled with the language of their heritage. and your relationship and sometimes struggles with your dad before he passes. that the story was just about, like oh mainstream b, The ideals changed because Selina had a big, bad and jailer played her, then, J low ushered in this revolution of big buds and that's the story. in california and northern mexico in arizona sushi. She graduated from Northwesterns Medill School of Journalism. How would we know that a fun is merely a vessel for delivering equity, smoked sausage to your mouth and that there is no shame in being the first to get seconds, good life project is supported by the chamber, so good nutrition. I was 9 when she died, 11 when the movie came out, and throughout all of my life, and these different milestones, I've come to realize now, as a 35-year-old, that Selena has been there all along, whether it was the last time I danced with my father, it was to a Selena song, before he died. See acast.com/privacy for more information. I'm sure you know this with, So you know- You'Ll- have a group of people who come together and you re you'll have essentially a table read of the script where you play the. And then I knew that I wanted it to be meaty. lead project is supported by a case of life can feel expensive, but with a key, you can rest easy, knowing your making smart choices while creating your dream home on a budget with new benefits. No, definitely, in a powerful way, and there was this one line that is shared in it and that stay with me receive dismay, the pain of ending, a relationship that feels like I'm reconciling a relationship with myself yeah, I just felt like that last part of it. ===Excerpt: Anything for Selena, Episode 2: Selena and Abraham"===. You know I had to. As you said, it is Mexican-Americans just saying like, "Hey, we're here and you're hurting us. I'm curious whether there were moments where you, folks say like this is what really needs to be, but there was something in your god that was saying now, to all just to give you some some context. Maria reflects on what her year-long examination into Selenas legacy reveals about the singer's humanity. And then when I was reporting on the story and spending time with Abraham, and talking to Abraham, I couldn't not deal with my own personal pain because I was thinking a lot and writing about Latino fatherhood, and about the relationship of Latino daughters and Latino fathers, and about the stereotypes and the narratives we tell ourselves about those relationships. Okay, Maria, how would you describe Anything for Selena? was desirable in the main stream and then, of course, her spend this huge evolution since then. Ok, I think you ready for this, but I want, Through cereal eyes, storytelling for those who don't know who we're talking about when I, much of the world when you literally just use that first aim selina knows, but for those who don't, Maybe a little bit more about this person was, Eight, the handle singer from corpus christie, taxes the hanno is like. So what are the pieces of the story, wanna tell and then what a larger social issues that we really need to dive into the tank, So why are they like? On the podcast Anything for Selena, Apple Podcasts' Show of the Year of 2021, Maria Garca combines rigorous reporting with impassioned storytelling to honor Selena's legacy. in that people in fact needs of people to get invited in and and share in this story. In my whole life, and ever since her death, or left. Nikole Hannah-Jones: Beyond the 1619 Project, 'No Mexicans Allowed:' School Segregation in the Southwest. But I realized how much I did it at the cost of not confronting pain, and drowning myself in work to sort of not confront these very personal, emotional battles that were going on inside of me. In this episode, Maria traces how Selena became a symbol for solidarity and resistance. I mean both the colorado after spending a wife and a different type of mountains. 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