If that is the case, does it make sense to say he did away with the Law? We are His workmanship . Therefore you are either of the house of Judah, the house of Israel, or a sojourner. Jesus Christ gave us a new covenant based on YHVHs grace, and he gave new instructions (torah). He was never against what was written in the Torah or the Prophets or the Writings, especially since he is the living Tanakh. What does YHVH mean in Joel 2:28, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh ? The tragic part is, 119 HAS scriptural truth but their TONE often creates a very negative feeling and makes people defensive. I too believe in holding dear and guarding the commandments of Yehova. Once you get past the double negatives and indirect language, the concluding statement contradicts itself, contradicts statements earlier in the text, and contradicts the title. You want to except this new way of living in Gods ways disregarding what is written. Do you understand?. These are the ONLY things he showed me that day. Any Catholic in my age group will probably tell you how controlling the man of the house was. God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Im sorry, but with all due respect, there is no comparison whatsoever between the Hebrew word Torah and the Greek word nomos. At this time Id just like to address the cult thing again..the issue of calling those people a cult because of the division you see occurring. As a former member of the U.S. military and several of its intelligence services, I can recognize their footprint a mile away. Lust after his wife? He clearly sated He did not come to abolish the law (torah). I am also glad to hear of more brother/sisters are seeking understanding the nature of Yah and his teachings of days including the one he blessed during creation (Sabbath). Ive noticed the same thing and have blogged on it. Really under the law? As a Messianic Jew, I can tell you that the word unclean used to denote animals that are not fit to eat means TOXIC. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? 3 expounds upon the idea that were not brought into Israel and made Jews of a sort; were brought into Jesus and made into a whole new people group where our identities are lost, save for being identified as in Christ. Perhaps that is why Paul said to run the race to win? Here it says he brings both groups together into one NEW man. I went to church and bible study frequently as a child and a young adult. I havent looked at any of their doctrines? god's big love object lesson. Never have we been so close, so happy, so at peaceTorah reading, Shabbat and the Feasts are absolute blasts! Im afraid that youll have to wait for the Wedding Feast of the Lamb for that silver or gold platter that youve been waiting for to materialize. When Moses gave this New Covenant Deut 29/30 he prophesied this would happen again (another New Covenant) made with Israel after they will be broken into two Houses (House of Judah and House of Israel). Matthew 25: 27-46and these shall go into everlasting punishment. They have frequently made it clear that salvation is a free gift offered through YHWHs grace and that following the Torah, the Law, is the natural response of a believer who has been saved by grace. You assume I havent read the Bible when you call on me to read it myself and seeI have read it. (Renewed because the Greek is kainos not neos. Im currently reading Tovia Singer and other Jewish authors. So in other words, they were given FOREVER to ALL who believe in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Time is running out, Leah. 25 For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you wont imagine you know more than you actually do. It was funny to me & I like to laugh. Paul dealt with a certain party of Jews that were forcing other believers to fully proselytize in order to be counted as partaking of the covenant. Well, I learned a thing or two. Jeremiah was also concerned that the Jews placed too much emphasis on the outward but did not have a circumcised heart . I will only add this, please study the Laws, prophets and the writings which is the TaNaK. Lev 24:22, and now For ever/owlam suddenly changed in definition and God doesnt really mean it any more? 2 God has not repudiated his people,[b] whom he chose in advance. Because the point is? Again, with over 30, 000 registered denominations in Christianity people leave assemblies over difference in opinion about pre-trib or post-trib, Holy Spirit being a person versus a spirit by which God does thins, Jesus being God versus Jesus only being the Son OR even only being Messiah but not divine, etc, etc, etc, and all that. Lets not forget the Aramaic as well. They (grace and his law A.K.A teaching/Torah) go hand in hand not two things in opposition of each other. Its pretty easy. The false teaching continues on page 4: I am a Messianic Jew. Are there only two choices? This tells me that youve never even considered the lexical data. I believe most of the conclusions they come to are easily tested and proven true with a little effort and studying done on the viewers end. Rav Shaul said that his tireless work as an emissary/apostle to the Gentiles was also designed to provoke my people to jealousy. Just a thought. She is in submission to her boss, her authority, her head! Theyre traditional. No matter how they try to spin their teaching, it is false teaching! That, I could understand just from plain English. LOL Remember the scripture where Yah says people steal from HIM? Our teachings are simply the result of our passion for the Word and our Creator. (another incorrect interpretation there in most Bibles with kamlos (camel) being a MISPRINT of kamilos, meaning rope or cable. Did I miss that video? One answer to a simple question will clarify many arguments depending on how it is answered; What is the Law? Turn in your bible to Genesis 26:4-5 and note that God is speaking in this passage, And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.. Unfortunately, upon leaving the premises of the local synagogue, they refused to act on what they had just preached. As a Jew, his words are crystal clear to me. Your calling the son of Yahuah, Yahusha a liar! Now think about that for a bit. And I have seen them change videos when they have been proven wrong and admit to changing them and why. A Jew? Would the devil try to deceive you into following Scripture? Yashua himself said he did not come to abolish his fathers laws and commands which have been with you from the very beggining, but to teach them. May the hand of YHVH keep us safe! So my question is this if he the LORD walked away from the Jews for not obeying his words what makes you THINK he has a different standard for everyone else. For some people, those names listed on the wall are nothing more than a name. There was a whole faring community of just under 1000 people who lived that reality. This causes conflicts with a lot of denominational doctrines that is being taught today. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. 18 Yes indeed! I strongly recommend you rethink your positions. Glad youre doing this. Wilber and McKee, and apparently 119 Ministries, now, have to change the meaning of submission and who Yeshua was in submission to so they can slide in their egalitarian/feminist fallacy and Marxist agenda. We are Christian, Protestant, evangelical, theologically conservative, and non-denominational. Strangely enough, Satan wants us to believe the trinity is pagan. My initial assumption appears to have been wrongyou are intellectually dishonest and willfully dismissing evidence that goes against your views. . Check Jeremiah for that answer. Husbands who used to worship beside their wives and set an example for their children are now obsessed with the law so much that they are crippling their children & absolutely destroying their wives. -Colossians 3:3-4. (2Pe 3:14) So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, the Torah was given at Sinai, it was given so it could be written down. Sometime is off here Jesus was a servant heart as our example, he washed the feet of his disciples Yeshua is the church. For the wages of sin is death: the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Well, Torah obviously. Jan 9 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. In this passage, Paul is saying there is Law and there is faith: of which are you? Jews live by trusting faith in the wisdom of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Peter decided that the church would not impose the Jewish law upon gentile believers, but that the church would treat the sacrament of Baptism as initiation into the faith with no further requirements. YHWY commanded us to obey. Both had to add to or take away from scripture & we know that is not good. -with Gods spirit in us now, written in our hearts, we are FREE from the law of sin and death!!!! yes of course. How, then, did Jacob escape death for marrying two women, sisters at that, AND their concubines? Followers of every religion make similar claims of amazing positive changes in their lives. Your succinct comments in 2. above are well stated and true, as I understand and believe. Well, we have this the gate is narrow, not wide! When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. This is false beyond belief. The domination of the Romans and Greeks took over and their antisemitic views hijacked Christianity.. I only found 119 ministries about a year or so AFTER the Holy Spirit lifted the veil off my eyes and they are RIGHT ON!!!! All I have to do is make contact with some of my former supervisors (lieutenant colonels and above) and find out everything I need to know about you. Ive seen so many changes in the last 3 decades in Christendom. Remember the Covenant given at Mt Sinai? How enlightening, Most Informative. Heres what it says: religion in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in mans obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in mans accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. God will abundantly give to us all and the Holy Spirit in us will produce its fruits. THEIR. http://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/paradise_restored.pdf. I too have discerned this anger it is written all over Jim Staleys face, Well said Leah. First, though, begin walking in the grace you have been offered. Last night, my wife and I had a pleasant dinner at a small local seafood restaurant. The word of God needs no defending. God wants us to desire(WANT) to keep his commandments and laws because this is his will. Christians may be following the second one, but you cant possibly follow the first and most important by saying and believing that His law was done away with, for you are not following His 7th day Sabbath or His Feast Days!! Did you happen to also point out that no penalty, much less the death penalty, was assessed for a man who married two sisters at the same time? You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these which bear witness to me; and you are unwilling to come to Jesus that YOU might have life. ( John 5:39-40) To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. This is what I am talking about. (Pilel) to fall, The MAIN thrust of nearly EVERY religious and non-religious group these days, is to be nice to the Jews aka Zionism, (or COPY the Jews) labelling anyone who will NOT come to the party ANTI-SEMITIC. 21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. But I am. Sacrifice..giving up your life for those who despise you . 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers (scribes) and Prushim (Pharisees), you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven! With that said I have run into both extremes. If you hate any man you have not the love of the father and therefore have not the love of the messiah. For real. Can one really be called circumcised of the heart and push off the commandments? I think when one makes blanket statements and ignores scripture it can be problematic. I submit if it is abolished then what rule to we measure against? think about it because this is Key to the quote you gave The Covenant that was entered into was a renegotiation first the offer was to be written on the hearts of men, they refused that offer and counter offered give us a man a mediator and what ever you say to him that we will do The covenant was to be judged and condemned by a mediator of Gods law. I trust we all agree that the Hebrew word torah is not exclusively defined as the unchanging written law of Moses previously passed orally from generation to generation. If you truly believed what you think Paul says is the true interpretation then you would leave them alone and not place your uneducated judgment upon them, if they do this unto God then it is unto God according to popular Christian dogma. Disagreement of biblical opinion does not constitute false teaching. We must be found spotless when Yashua and Yahweh return for our marriage. Shalom in the love of JESUS {YEHOSHUA}! Three issues were presented for you to think on, yet you responded to only one. They are the ones Im giving your now., Leah this commandment isnt new. so I did a lot of study to be able to defend my faith at the time only to find the RCC was responsible for a lot of changes to Scriptural doctrine and understanding.) Jesus was the highest demonstration of Gods grace, not the first appearance of it. From their video "What is the Gospel, part 1 "The message in the instructions of Christ is also taught in the week of unleavened bread. Our only righteousness comes from being hid in Christ. ALEPH. Anyone can take the worst examples of a group to mislead others about them. We believers should want nothing more than to love Yahweh and our brethren according to His desires, nothing more and nothing less. His strength is for ever ref. I know it is absolutely horrifying to have your familys core Faith beliefs shaken off your foundation, I was there not 6 months ago. Yes Im sure it is. I remember when I was attending a protestant church many years ago and there was a revival service Each night , we looked at different cults .and what they believed ..Jehovahs Witness one night Mormons another night , etc. Like my analogy of a criminal given a clean slate. I cant believe anyone could truly have the nerve to say God made a mistake or that ANYTHING He gives His people is a burden. 17 But you, dear friends, since you know this in advance, guard yourselves; so that you will not be led away by the errors of the wicked and fall from your own secure position. 31 The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. Together we can strengthen one another in love and so help build and protect the bride of Christ, His church. Christ will have preeminence in all things (Col). Loving God: 1 John 5:3 defines loving God as keeping His commandments. Test Everything includingourselves, both popular and unpopular doctrine, and consequently reveal and promote His eternal truth while encouraging all others to do the same. If they do, they will learn just how important his law especially His 7th day Sabbath is. How can God be mad at the worlds wickedness (which is the transgression of Gods law) if there was no law given? The Jews today, are the only ones who obey and keep them! We are indwelled by the Spirit in order to follow God. Thanks for your post. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. But together we can search the Scriptures, focusing on what they actually say and understanding the simplicity that they contain, avoiding pitfalls and incorrect doctrine given by men. In other words, you have been saved (begun) by the Spirit, how can you think your sanctification will happen by the flesh (i.e. Testing everything is what the Church should be espousing, after all. Was Paul lying to Timothy when he wrote those words? 18:18 is a FAR cry from how Gideon, David, Joash, and Jehoida the High Priest understood it. 12 (11) Then all Israel will hear about it and be afraid, so that they will stop doing such wickedness as this among themselves. Faith in God of course but we have a better covenant for He has given us a new heart and it has come from Him He did it . There are several Rabbis that were Rabbinical trained in the same house as Paul (House of Hillel) that have come to the same conclusions recorded in the Talmud. I recommend you read an article written by John Parsons entitled Olam HaTorah on the website http://www.hebrew4christians.com. That is an outright lie at worst and a misrepresentation at best. They dont need my help! Many Christians, who are utterly ignorant about my people or my culture, seem to enjoy jumping to unfounded or unsupported conclusions regarding the contents of the New Testament. I understand the frustration of truth seekers with what constitutes modern Christianity and their desire to return to our roots . They are more incorrect than the HR people and the whole reason Christianity thinks they can behave like pagans and still be saved. I saw patterns, I learned Hebrew culture, I understood the concepts of the Tanach. Hmmm maybe the purpose of YHWHs Holy Spirit is to HELP us follow Gods Instructions. And I experience Gods presence everyday! And if you carefully read and study the Book of Acts you will see that thousands of my fellow Jews accepted Yeshua from Nazareth without any qualms whatsoever. I have found that depending on who you talk to, different people make alliances for not keeping every aspect of Torah so excuses are made. I do not doubt there are those that teach you MUST do the commandments in order to be saved. Yehoshua, Iesous, Jesus, Christos, Messiah, Christ) Who is this Yahusha you follow? You never know whats gonna happen! Jesus made example of this when reciting the beatitudes. God gave the Mosaic Law as the torah (instructions) associated with the specific covenant He had with the people of Israel. . Ive saved a screenshot!). As Paul teaches, Gentiles who believe are now PART of Israel, and now no longer Gentiles. Testing everything is what the Church should be espousing, after all. 28 Someone who disregards the Torah of Moshe is put to death without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS DEPEND ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. In other words ALL of the Law encompasses these two. to overthrow Was he lying when he wrote the following? They used the blood moons as part of their case for a different end time timing than Biltz (Messiah returning in 2016 instead of 2015). The irony is rich! I think its time to stop ignoring all the passages that prove Paul never taught that any believers in Jesus should stop following Gods perfect laws and instructions on how to live a holy life unlike the rest of the world in thought and deed. I Accept Yeshua is the Messiah and he never spoke against Torah because he would be speaking against himself. (others have different spellings and pronunciations for his name, same as for the Father, Yahuah). There are many books on this subject but his is the best Ive found. There are different laws mentioned throughout scripture and taken out of context in many verses. So when the Emperor Constantine and his mother grabbed hold of the part of the Messianic Community that was already headed towards apostasy, it was like childs play for the two of them to turn their fellow apostates away from the truth and gradually introduce idolatry into a false Church. He will raise us up on the Last Day (the last day of history.. and theres no other meaning). In the case of 119 and the Hebrew Roots however, they are the ones that enter the building still wearing construction gear and hard hats because all of the regulations still apply. I believe one could and should worship everyday and nothing shows Sabbath was meant to serve as the western church day of worship. I pray for all may he open your eyes and your heart. I did contact them through their website testeverything.net and received a reply. He is setting things right NOW before his final return. Leah and Everyone So whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven. I look forward to hearing from you as we all can learn and be edified by each other in the right spirit. Just out of curiosity, when the members of my people finally decide to accept OUR MESSIAH, which of the over 40,000 Christian denominations best reflects the Messianic Community of the 1st century? And God (YHWY), knows the hearts of all men. Our purpose is to seek and bring the truth to all nations, unlearn false doctrines and traditions of men, and to equip the body to live and practice the Word as God originally intended. Being formally married does not negate or abolish the vows. Father YAH laws are perfect and I try to obey them out of love but NOT out of demand. In many cases our shared stories were about going to church and then our Dad would sit us down at home afterwards and hed say this is what the priest really meant and it was always about the dad/husband being right and in control. I am familiar with this site. And in the whole discourse of John 14 where Jesus is talking about He & the Father being one, Jesus never once mentions obeying Torah. This is the mystery of the gospel. Christ in those who know Him! But if you do? Yeshua states He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Fathers who sent Me., Now turn to James 1:21-25 to see another clear passage on not continuing in sin AND obeying, Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. If you think Paul did, then you are highly mistaken and misinterpreting his letters! And in Rav Shauls spirit-filled efforts to effectively deal with the various issues that plagued the Messianic Community, Protestant Christians mistakenly see this as a sign that the Tanakh (Old Testament) is no longer valid. Gal 5:3 "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [law keeping], that he is a debtor to do the whole law.. Angry-hostile. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers on the day I took them by their hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt; because they, for their part, violated my covenant, even though I, for my part, was a husband to them, says ADONAI. Pray for wisdom and study the scriptures asking God to keep you grounded in the truth. In response to David Dixon from Jerry the Messianic Jew. Nowhere did Jesus even hint that He was abolishing Gods Instructions (Does God make mistakes like purposely giving us a something wed fail at)? Simply put, John 14:15. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? . Were dead to it and alive to a Person, Jesus our Messiah. Also, Id be very interested in collaborating with you on some other debasings of 119 ministries. Unless you read the transcripts along with the video, it is sometimes difficult to catch the deception. In that paper, my co-authors cited such Jewish luminaries as the translators of the Septuagint, the writers of the Gemara, Rashi, ibn Ezra, and Maimonides. We arent required to keep 613 laws. And for those who think nobody can keep Gods instructions perfectly nowhere does it say we are required to for salvation. It is my honor and a joy to want to be a humble servant of my God as well as accept His grace for my sin so that I should not have death. It will be life from the dead! They were killed for teaching the truth of yah who sent them! If you follow after the commandments of God, does that make you a Judaiser? Nobody has it 100% right yet. Our purpose is to seek and bring the truth to all nations, unlearn false doctrines and traditions of men, and to equip the body to live and practice the Word as God originally intended.We find that continuously examining the Scriptures (in the same Hebraic first century context and perspective in which they were written and understood) reveals to His people much more understanding, as opposed to the more common Greek mindset that is a couple thousand years removed. This is not allowing all things to all people. All 119 is trying to do is truly, unbiasedly challenge believers in Yeshua to test and prove with OT and NT agreement what they believe. And the things Ive written are detailed, because its the details that 119 keeps twisting. Yes. I pulled my family out of the church. 2. to consummate: a number The point really of 119 ministries is Test Everything. It is possible we are correct on some things and incorrect on others. This is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the atrocities inflicted by Hitler. Isaiah 53! Truth is truth and deception is the name of the game and i will be praying Why do you think that Yeshua told the woman from Shomron (Samaria) that we have to worship God in spirit and in truth? But we need to understand what it means to love. Put them to the test- i did and what a journey. My point was that the New Covenant was not specifically for them > that they had to become part of Israel to BE a part of the New Covenant / Bride of Christ. Youre welcome to use any of this material to help your friend. However, this does not release him from the law. The festivals you do not have time for are not Jewish festivals they are our fathers appointed times, they alone contain everything that is the gospel you speak of. Hello! OMG, this discussion has blown my mind. Isaiah 26:4? Full disclosure: I do the same at times. 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