Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? You benefit from undiluted, unambiguous one-to-one advice, game changing campaigns and crisis guidance from p The main thing for me is that bitterness bullet, youve just got to keep dodging it, because bitterness really does send you only one way, it will only ever send you backwards. Its an audit, right, when these things happen in your life. Did you ever feel scared? Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. I knew nothing about it, obviously. And the other, in the same way as I have just said that I got enormous enjoyment from the political job, there is also a danger that because my newspaper career ended so badly, that you, sort of, chuck out all the good stuff there. Why are you doing it now? What happens to you when you come there? And why? If you have a life sentence, if youve murdered someone, you will finish your sentence in a prison like Hollesley Bay. And that was corrosive. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. But I accepted the system. Jane: So youd make a lousy newspaper editor now? Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Andy: No, I prefer not to, really. Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC. I think it was wrong. And the Old Bailey is a court that is straight out of central casting. Andy: Well Belmarsh was going through a pretty dysfunctional phase at that stage. Andy: They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. That came not long after I arrived in Belmarsh and that was probably the worst moment. [59] In June 2014, Coulson was found guilty of one charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison on 4 July 2014. Its not on my record. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. But youve never shared your own experience. Jane: So, youre packing your bag. Jane: You dont really talk about yourself very much. And they were nothing short of incredible. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. Now, a lot of women, I think, in particular listening to this would think, well we wouldnt blame her for just giving up on you after all of that, but she didnt. We worked together for a long time. And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. Jane: Well, talking of which, as a journalist, we also know the picture that everybody wants is of somebody in the prison van being taken away. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson's 'mobile phone was hacked by his own newspaper's private detective' Coulson, 45, 'fully in the know' about illegal practice, prosecution has said. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. But Ive never done it in any detail other than, of course, over a very long period in a witness box in the Old Bailey. A bemused local cabbie found himself sitting in the middle of a cornfield and off we went to the station. I felt it was a bit on the steep side but it was within the parameters, so its up to the judge, the sentencing in technical terms. - Devised and implemented a new Conduct Risk Framework and Conduct risk management strategy for Permanent TSB Group. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? And share he has about Colton Underwood from the world of The Bachelor. I just wanted to see them. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. But the bigger point for me is that number of people who ran into the gunfire for me, who owed me nothing and who have become unbelievable friends and support to me and to the family. Were going to put you to work. Ex-spin doctor Andy Coulson found guilty of conspiracy to hack phones Phone hacking took place while he was the editor of the News of the World Police identified 4,000 possible victims of phone. The saddest thing in prison is when youre queuing up for the phone, because thats how the system works, you have to wait to be able to use the phone. Andy: Oh yeah, without any shadow of a doubt and thats thanks to her, not me. Jane: I wanted to talk about Eloise now. In fact, there was a feeling that I may never get out until those trials were over. Why the Conservative machine turns a blind eye to racism, Memo to Labour: make local politics a national issue, If anti-semitism isnt challenged then the fight against racism is doomed, Netflixs endless cancellations signal the end of the prestige streaming TV era, The best holiday cottages for a stunning UK minibreak, Podcast episodes to make you more productive in 2023, Vivienne Westwood didn't just make British fashion she was British fashion, The 15 most anticipated TV series of 2023, from, Print copies & Digital access for only 1. It was between governors and there was a proper shortage of staff. Andy: Well it came very suddenly. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. I think there are people who probably think that the door should have been locked forever. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson has been released from prison after serving nearly five months in jail for conspiracy to hack phones. And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. Entirely self-inflicted, entirely my fault. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. Gregg was born April 2, 1962, in Boston, Massachusetts, the son of Mary Layne (ne Shine) and Robert Clark Gregg Sr., an Episcopal priest and Stanford University professor. Ive got a better understanding of myself, I suppose, without wishing to get too airy-fairy about it. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. Having been told Id be there for the duration, I suddenly got a knock on the door and got chucked a couple of plastic bin liners and they said, Fill these up, youre off.' Do you still have dark days? Actually, in the conversation with Chris Lewis we were discussing this. But we had a two-week crisis in our life, after Monty was born, in terms of the emotional impact of it, it was far greater because we felt we were going to lose him not long after he was born. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. [15] Other defendants were cleared. And I said, look Im going to do this for a while, I think its fascinating, I think it will be an amazing achievement to try and help him get into Number 10, but Im not going to stay. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. (listen here). People treated us with respect and we did the same. Jane: So, there came a point where you thought, OK, I dont know how long Im going to be here. Hacked Celebrity VoicmailsWhose voicemails has Jorg Coulson been hacking into this week? We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. Jane: I remember coming to see you with Eloise and the boys and you all sort of sit in a gymnasium, dont you? And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. It is an audit on your life and your relationships and there were some people, I think, I expected more of them, if I can put it that way. Did you do a lot of that? Episode 8. I told Eloise and we had discussed it before I went into prison, at what point did we think Id need to see the boys and theyd need to see me, and wed reached that point. That was a good moment for us because we were then very clear that this was not about me becoming chums, this was about me being a professional advisor to him and him taking that advice seriously and the relationship on that basis went forward. Andy: You have to sit there on your own while the rest of your fellow inmates are with their families. Dan Evans testified that even "the office cat" knew . And I think that is a clear lesson, that the what if is as pointless as the why me?. Without any shadow of a doubt, as a couple and as a family. Is that why you resigned? [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. A high-profile scandal which unravelled his life and led to a spell in prison. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. It takes you nowhere. Andy: Hindsight yeah, but honestly hindsight is pointless in my view, particularly when you are trying to get through the crisis. How do you view it? Jane: I mean, two of those jobs there that you mentioned, the powerful jobs, obviously they do bring their own sort of sets of criticism with them. Nobody put a gun to my head and told me to do those jobs. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. The paper was told to pay Driscoll 800,000. Jane: Are you still friends? And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. I wanted them to visit me in an open prison. What conversations did you have with your older boys? Youd get out for an hour and then youd be back in again and youd do anther 23 hours and it was boiling. Andy Coulson is the former spokesman for No 10 who reached the highest levels of his profession - before coming crashing down as a result of the phone-hacking scandal. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . And suddenly youre sat in one of them. And then before you know it youre back in court with a suitcase, waiting to find out how long youre going to go to prison for. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. Thats all nonsense. Now, I dont recall seeing one of you. [13] He was sentenced on 4 July 2014 to 18 months in prison. Also learn how He earned most of networth at the age of 52 years old? And there was clearly a view inside Number 10 that, the moment a guilty verdict came, we need to get out and start talking and I think that was a bad decision. Simple as that, and theres a lot of that that goes on. Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968)[2][3] is an English journalist and political strategist. They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. And its like eating rotten fruit. Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. Coulson, 46, who also worked as director of . Andy: Its very hard, this, to get it down to three. He attended Beauchamps High School, a secondary school and sixth form college, from 1979 to 1986. So I changed my mind. Jane: Because it had been quite a high-profile trial. Andy: Yeah, always. I saw some pretty unpleasant things. Former News of the World editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson were having an affair for at least six years from the late 1990s, the phone-hacking trial has heard. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. I suppose because the thing was so public and had been so long running, Ellie and I took the view that we werent going to try and attempt to hide any of it from them. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. In 1988, he moved to The Sun, working with Piers Morgan on the showbiz column Bizarre. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. So, wed had lots of conversations but then, yes, we had to have a conversation about what it meant. It was an amazing place to be and it was fascinating and rewarding and I was reasonably good it and I loved my colleagues. 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